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Prussian P 8
German Reichsbahn class 3810-40
Germany | 1906 | 3,948 produced
Die Lokomotive, June 1910

The P 8 was a passenger locomotive that was mainly developed as a successor to the P 6 and was later used as the basis for the development of the S 10. It is characterized by the fact that, with almost 4,000 units, it was the most numerous passenger steam locomotive of all time and was in use on both railways in divided Germany until the 1970s.

The Prussian head of construction, Robert Garbe, developed the P 8 as a relatively simple, but still powerful and economical machine, which, after eliminating a few teething problems, turned out to be a complete success. Garbe was already one of the pioneers of superheated steam technology in the last decade of the nineteenth century, which he also used in the construction of this locomotive as a means of achieving the required power.

It was originally intended that the new locomotive should be certified for speeds of 110 km/h and can therefore also be used in front of express trains. In operation, however, it turned out that an engine with two cylinders and a less than perfect mass balance was not suitable for these speeds. This means that it was only certified for 100 km/h. The quiet running remained the biggest point of criticism of the P 8. Above all, the somewhat loose coupling to the tender led to poor running characteristics when reversing, which is why the locomotive could only be expected to travel at a speed of 50 km/h in this direction. This only improved in later years, when the tub-type tenders of the war locomotives were used on the P 8 and now allowed reverse speeds of up to 85 km/h.

In August 1921, the crew of road number 2535 in the Trier depot poses together with their locomotive
In August 1921, the crew of road number 2535 in the Trier depot poses together with their locomotive

Otherwise, the locomotive was a successful design that was able to shine above all with the performance of the boiler. The firebox was already extended a little way into the boiler barrel, which partly acted like a combustion chamber and led to good steaming performance.

From 1906 to the end of the First World War, 2,350 engines were built, some of which were made for the Oldenburg, Baden and Mecklenburg railways. Since word of the good qualities of the locomotive had gotten around to the victorious powers as well, a total of 627 units had to be handed in as reparations. Production continued until 1923 to replenish stocks. All German locomotive factories were involved, with the exception of Sächsische Maschinenfabrik Hartmann and Maschinenfabrik Esslingen. In total, the number of P 8s built was brought to 3,948.

In the period between the wars, the Reichsbahn used the P 8 in front of almost all train types, only heavy express and freight trains were reserved for better adapted locomotives. Passenger steam locomotives with the 4-6-0 wheel arrangement became the class 38, with the P 8 with the number range 3810 making up the largest part. Even after the war, both German railways could not do without the locomotives and thus their use by the Reichsbahn ended in 1972 and by the Bundesbahn in 1974. As early as 1941, two prototypes of the class 23 with a 2-6-2 wheel arrangement had been developed as a replacement for the P 8, which, however, did not go into series production. In the 1950s, a little more than 100 of the very similar classes 23 and 2310 were procured in both parts of Germany, but these were also taken out of service shortly after their prototype.

Variantca. 1910 variantca. 1921 variant
ManufacturerAEG, BMAG, Borsig, Hanomag, Henschel, Hohenzollern, Humboldt, MBG Karlsruhe, Linke-Hofmann, Schichau, Union Königsberg, Vulcan, Wolf
Axle config4-6-0 (Ten-wheeler) 
Gauge4 ft 8 1/2 in (Standard gauge)
Dimensions and Weights
Length60 ft 11 15/16 in
Length loco36 ft 8 15/16 in
Wheelbase27 ft 4 3/4 in
Fixed wheelbase15 ft 0 5/16 in
Total wheelbase51 ft 4 3/4 in
Empty weight140,148 lbs153,221 lbs
Service weight153,772 lbs167,551 lbs
Adhesive weight105,227 lbs112,436 lbs
Total weight279,987 lbs
Axle load35,076 lbs37,479 lbs
Water capacity5,680 us gal
Fuel capacity15,432 lbs (coal)
Power sourcesteam
Indicated power1,164 hp (868 kW)
Optimal speed26 mph27 mph
Top speed62 mph
Starting effort28,727 lbf27,286 lbf
Power Plant
Driver diameter68.9 in
Boiler pressure174 psi
Expansion typesimple
Cylinderstwo, 23 1/4 x 24 13/16 intwo, 22 5/8 x 24 13/16 in
Grate area28.2 sq ft28.8 sq ft
Firebox area158.2 sq ft158.8 sq ft
Tube heating area1,462.8 sq ft1,403.4 sq ft
Evaporative heating area1,621 sq ft1,562.2 sq ft
Superheater area531.5 sq ft634 sq ft
Total heating area2,152.6 sq ft2,196.2 sq ft
Calculated Values
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last changed: 04/2022

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